tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post4800713917396864163..comments2023-09-25T06:48:48.316-06:00Comments on Magic Valley Mormon: The Democratic Party, Both Local & National, Proves I Made The Right DecisionCameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-68288078211330999202008-09-24T15:25:00.000-06:002008-09-24T15:25:00.000-06:00Cameron, an Obama adminmistration would be an admi...Cameron, an Obama adminmistration would be an administration of floccinaucinihilipilification.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-12836625900052388162008-09-23T12:18:00.000-06:002008-09-23T12:18:00.000-06:00DL,You're projecting again.nosufgirl,It's what mak...DL,<BR/><BR/>You're projecting again.<BR/><BR/>nosufgirl,<BR/><BR/>It's what makes blogging interesting. Sometimes.<BR/><BR/>The debates should be fun. There's plenty to talk about, that's for sure.<BR/><BR/>Anon,<BR/><BR/>See, this post isn't about who is worse, or pointing out one side better than the other. This post is about how I was leaning quite seriously towards joining the Democratic Party, despite some philosophical disagreement. And that leaning was based largely on this party being accepting, rational, and moderate. As I have pointed out, the reaction to Governor Palin has smashed those ideals to pieces.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-29910572468353206512008-09-22T22:59:00.000-06:002008-09-22T22:59:00.000-06:00What about the crap the GOP sends out on Obama? Y...What about the crap the GOP sends out on Obama? You never chastise them dude, and my guess is you never will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-23615854638533431682008-09-22T22:18:00.000-06:002008-09-22T22:18:00.000-06:00wow. 'tis the season... to demonize the other sid...wow. <BR/><BR/>'tis the season... to demonize the other side. To call anyone who disagrees with you, anti-american. And to regurgitate rhetoric in the form of insults to whichever candidate a person has decided not to vote for. <BR/><BR/>Sigh. Please, let these next six weeks move quickly...<BR/><BR/>BTW, Cameron, I'm looking forward to the debate friday. I hope you have something here about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466860937596192472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-60998279930865134162008-09-19T08:59:00.000-06:002008-09-19T08:59:00.000-06:00So is it dirty politics to describe the actual hyp...So is it dirty politics to describe the actual hypocrisy of the other candidate, or to invent bogus stories about the other candidate? <BR/><BR/>The nomination of Palin is an affront to the intelligence of the American people, particularly since they hadn't bothered to actually vet her or prepare her. The Republican "leadership" knew that didn't matter, because as long as they put some radical right-wing Christian out there, their core voters would lap it up. The people who don't allow inconvenient facts to interfere with the political opinions are gaga over the Palin. <BR/><BR/>Apparently a large number of Republican voters see no problem with electing a senile, angry corrupt politician with a totally inexperienced sidekick with no interest in or knowledge of economics or foreign policy to lead a nation in economic meltdown with a decade of failed foreign policy misadventures. Yep, you guys are oblivious. The future of the nation is simply not important to you apparently, as long as we have someone in or near the White House that you can "identify with". <BR/><BR/>I'm not saying the Dems are doing much better, but at least their candidates are intelligent, knowledgeable and don't have a history of impulsive or corrupt behavior. Voting for McCain/Palin is a supremely anti-American act.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-74414115919933298472008-09-18T12:54:00.000-06:002008-09-18T12:54:00.000-06:00DL,For some reason you forgot to mention the refer...DL,<BR/><BR/>For some reason you forgot to mention the references to statements made by Obama, Biden, and Obama campaign officials.<BR/><BR/>I included the vast array of sources for incoherent Palin bashing as means to show how pervasive it is. From lowly bloggers all the way to the Party's nominee for president. From national party faithful to the local variety. It's a stain that marks all of you. So I don't want to hear any more talk of how evil the Republicans are for dirty politics, or how they treated the Clintons. The smell test was just handed out, and you flunked.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-20414572206002043292008-09-18T12:15:00.000-06:002008-09-18T12:15:00.000-06:00Let's see. The following people speak for the Dem...Let's see. The following people speak for the Democratic Party: Daily Kos, Alan Colmes, various small-time bloggers, including me, etc. Unless you're prepared to accept the statements of Rush, Ann C., Sean H., and the Freeper guys as bona fide pronouncements of the Republican Party, I think you're off base here.<BR/><BR/>Let's imagine that Hillary Clinton had won the Democratic primary and then named some first-term governor of a small state with no evident qualifications as her running mate. Do you think the aforementioned Republican representatives would have remained quiet about it? In a pig's eye, and that's pork!<BR/><BR/>The "rational" thing is for a party to choose candidates who are qualified for the offices they seek or who, at the very least, can carry on intelligent conversations about the issues before the American people. The Republican party has had a habit of proffering candidates who cannot meet that standard: Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin are all examples. Given his <A HREF="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/217802.php" REL="nofollow">performance yesterday</A>, we have to wonder about John McCain as well.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-16675859577171221342008-09-18T09:22:00.000-06:002008-09-18T09:22:00.000-06:00Nosurfgirl,I haven't seen the SNL skit yet. But i...Nosurfgirl,<BR/><BR/>I haven't seen the SNL skit yet. But it was brought up by my CEO in a meeting on Tuesday, and she loved it. So it's climbing the to-do list.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-71544286947551215502008-09-18T09:15:00.000-06:002008-09-18T09:15:00.000-06:00UT,Thanks. No offense taken. But in my defense, ...UT,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. No offense taken. But in my defense, I haven't written much, if anything, about the presidential election until recently. And that has centered on Gov. Palin.<BR/><BR/>I've gotten some of those emails about Obama being a secrete Muslim. And I've politely emailed back with a link to snopes or something showing that it's not true. I've noticed that Obama set up a fight the smears website to combat some of this. I don't really see one of those for Gov. Palin though. I don't see anyone in the Democratic Party saying enough is enough, stop with the bs. They talk about a clean campaign for two years, about how things are different now (despite an incredibly nasty primary), and how we don't need these kinds of smear tactics in politics anymore. And then they go out and one-up everything ever written about Obama. And they do it in less than a week. The, "Palin's baby isn't hers it's her daughter's! See, look how fat the daughter is!" came out complete with photos just <I>hours</I> after she was announced.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-92130656297189518482008-09-18T09:04:00.000-06:002008-09-18T09:04:00.000-06:00Drew,Thanks for the comment.If blogging has taught...Drew,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comment.<BR/><BR/>If blogging has taught me anything, it's to not believe anything.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-21247735111255421982008-09-18T09:02:00.000-06:002008-09-18T09:02:00.000-06:00Steve,I think it's funny you would use a Democrati...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I think it's funny you would use a Democratic Senator who ran for president twice and was the party's nominee for vice president just 4 years ago, but that has now gotten kicked out of the party over a single issue (I thought Democrats didn't like Single Issue Voters?) as an example of Democratic autonomy.<BR/><BR/><I>"I think a lot of these stories were an attempt to be first with ANY information on a relative unknown."</I><BR/><BR/>Agreed. And that's a really crummy excuse.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I read on a few liberal sites absolute glee that the media insanity which met Governor Palin's nomination was during what normally is a "grace" period for VP nominees. "This is when it's supposed to be nice, imagine what it'll be like later. Whippee!"<BR/><BR/>The Democratic Party's reaction to Gov. Palin's nomination, Dems both local, national, blogger, campaigner, and ABC news, was an embarrassment.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-29524868605963579652008-09-18T08:52:00.000-06:002008-09-18T08:52:00.000-06:00David,Yeah, third parties have just as many issues...David,<BR/><BR/>Yeah, third parties have just as many issues as the two big ones do. And likely more crazy people. Not to mention zero influence.<BR/><BR/>I often hear the complaint that the Utah Republican Party is too extreme right wing. The truth is that their party activists are no more extreme than the Democrats' are. I think the general population falls somewhere in between those two areas. We elect very moderate governors. The problem is that not enough of the moderates are involved in political parties. Everyone waits until the election, and by then someone else has already winnowed the choice for you.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-26983467813505077232008-09-18T08:46:00.000-06:002008-09-18T08:46:00.000-06:00Jesse, Thanks, I had forgotten about that one. An...Jesse, <BR/><BR/>Thanks, I had forgotten about that one. Another great example of hyper-partisanship getting in the way of decency.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-84011235793337629322008-09-17T15:59:00.000-06:002008-09-17T15:59:00.000-06:00I have to agree with the Dem party throwing mud on...I have to agree with the Dem party throwing mud on Palin. I've been very putt off by all the disgusting attempts on either side (whether it be emails about Obama's muslim terrorist background or rumors that Palin lied about her own baby's birth.) One thing's for sure, I'm going to see red if they make her daughter into a jamie lynn spears type tabloid figure. Whatever. This is why I'm an independent (though sometimes I use the term, democrat just to shake my friends up.) <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post. It released a lot of the angst i've been feeling. I don't like Palin, but it's not because she's a woman, it's not because she's skinny and beautiful and a republican and stealing Obama's thunder. And frankly it makes me feel ill to see all the lows everyone, democrats and republicans alike, have descended to. Lipstick on a pig, my foot. Don't pretend to be all innocent, Mr. Obama. And calling out the name "Barack Hussein Obama" over a loudspeaker isn't the way to win votes. Or at least, not my votes. <BR/>One thing i must say though, the saturday night live video was awesome. An absolute gem in comedic atristry. Have you seen it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466860937596192472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-58123589662038579812008-09-17T14:43:00.000-06:002008-09-17T14:43:00.000-06:00Cameron, I agree with you, but I perceive it as be...Cameron, <BR/><BR/>I agree with you, but I perceive it as being equally bad between parties. The Republican email forwards and blogs about Obama and Romney are/were <I>just</I> as bad as the stupid Palin stuff. <BR/><BR/>The very worst offenders in my opinion like Daily Kos, OneUtah, Oblogatory Anecdotes, etc.--I don't read them much because it's annoying and unhelpful.<BR/><BR/>Others, that I usually or at least sometimes find well-reasoned even when I disagree--you, Irrational Optimist, Urquhart, The World According to Me, Tyler and Rich at KVNU--I perceive as being less rational and more defensive for their chosen side when it comes to the presidential election. (Please take that analytically and not antagonistically my friend.) I think this afflicts the MSM as well. The presidential election seems to cause more urgent defensiveness, justification, and shrillness.UtahTeacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161171487351224481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-49271575006931401442008-09-17T13:04:00.000-06:002008-09-17T13:04:00.000-06:00Cam, nice post. The truth is, as Hannity says it ...Cam, nice post. The truth is, as Hannity says it best, "journalism is dead."<BR/><BR/>It is so sad to see such a determination to ruin a person and a family like Sarah Palin and her family.<BR/><BR/>You are right about the lack of time in fact checking, I have often looked for "whats true and whats not" only to not be able to track down the truth.<BR/><BR/>We must depend on those morals, values, and convictions that we hold most important to decide how we vote.drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003979752331749628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-33867839135332556182008-09-17T12:33:00.000-06:002008-09-17T12:33:00.000-06:00On the local level, I think the Democrats allow mo...On the local level, I think the Democrats allow more autonomity than the Republicans. And there are plenty of Republicans (ehem, McCain, "Lieberman") that the party doesn't send X-mas cards too. <BR/>I think the attack on the "liberal" press is a little biased itself. In this day in age, news is old 12 hours later and as opposed to the old days of only three networks breaking a story, now we have cable news, internet news guys (Drudge), radio, and everyone and their grandma being a blogger and wanting their moment in the sun breaking a story. I think a lot of these stories were an attempt to be first with ANY information on a relative unknown. Were some wrong, yes, but in today's political news cycle, I don't think the 24 hour news cycles allows as much time and fact checking; sadly.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318056886420896448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-7281417820760405332008-09-17T09:55:00.000-06:002008-09-17T09:55:00.000-06:00I can totally relate to your dilemma - wanting to ...I can totally relate to your dilemma - wanting to be involved, not wanting to have a party dictate positions to you, even wanting to participate where your impact could most be felt here in Utah, and finding that none of the options seems quite palatable (including the various third parties so far).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-50069319677803159282008-09-17T08:31:00.000-06:002008-09-17T08:31:00.000-06:00The Utah Democratic Party itself participated in s...The Utah Democratic Party itself participated in spreading the falsehoods: http://www.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/ci_10372954Jesse Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468928702710912142noreply@blogger.com