tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post5218325184924726248..comments2023-09-25T06:48:48.316-06:00Comments on Magic Valley Mormon: 2009 Democrats Need to Learn Lessons of 1960s Democrats: LieCameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-62327925029748412352017-09-19T21:52:09.986-06:002017-09-19T21:52:09.986-06:00Time has not been kind to you types.Time has not been kind to you types.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-19726333153033225272010-02-13T18:15:20.473-07:002010-02-13T18:15:20.473-07:00Great post… Great info on bounce rates… I’ll have ...Great post… Great info on bounce rates… I’ll have to write an entry about the same topic some day soon… Bounce rates can tell you alot…<br />I tend to look at the bounce rate and then look at the keywords that brought people to the site. Does the page answer the keyword question? If No then there is some work to do on that or a new more focused post.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://online%20universialwork.com" rel="nofollow">part time money making ideas</a>angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10506776941087544270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-34400722221978127762009-10-20T09:29:23.131-06:002009-10-20T09:29:23.131-06:00It's too bad that Jason clicked the "Publ...It's too bad that Jason clicked the "Publish Your Comment" button before he got around to publishing his litany of your supposed logical absurdities.<br /><br />Democrats have rallied so much more closely around their Fuhrer than the Bush republicans ever did theirs. I expected better of them. The thing that Jason and others who continue to support Obama never seem to even think of anymore is that WE ARE IN DEBT up to Andre the Giant's eyeballs (I just watched Princess Bride a couple nights ago--thus the metaphor). They screamed bloody murder when Bush was spending like a drunken sailor on our military. Now, Obama has assumed the role of the drunken sailor PLUS lying to us about how expensive the new health care boondoggle will be. But Jason no longer even bats an eyelash. He is effectively drinking Jim Jones's koolaid.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-39485791859305819152009-10-07T13:33:29.029-06:002009-10-07T13:33:29.029-06:00"What LBJ was able to do is leverage his expe..."What LBJ was able to do is leverage his experience and call in his chits from many years in the Senate to convincingly persuade lawmakers from his own party to vote for his key programs even though it might hurt them back home with their constituents."<br /><br />So you're saying the citizens didn't want it, yet they passed it anyway. Well, that's totally different than lying. And much better.<br /><br />Look, neither one of us likes the health care bills currently in Congress. But the fact of the matter is that our politicians are lying to us. Saying that all politicians lie is not a very good defense of our current crop.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-14458248913546253432009-10-06T17:03:09.785-06:002009-10-06T17:03:09.785-06:00Cameron, I'm not aware of a President who didn...Cameron, I'm not aware of a President who didn't lie, at least not in my lifetime. I don't know of a single President who didn't misrepresent the cost of some expenditure or tax reduction that he wanted to pass. That seems to be the SOP for Washington.<br /><br />What LBJ was able to do is leverage his experience and call in his chits from many years in the Senate to convincingly persuade lawmakers from his own party to vote for his key programs even though it might hurt them back home with their constituents. Johnson knew that there were a lot of pressures and a lot of powerful interest groups that could derail important legislation and he made sure that they didn't stop his key priorities.<br /><br />Obama, on the other hand, makes pretty speeches about how he supports this or that, but he does virtually nothing to get legislation through the Congress. He stands by and lets the interest groups (the very ones he campaigned against) turn well-meaning legislation into a giant funnel pouring taxpayer dollars into their pockets. LBJ for all his faults (and they were many) actually got his stuff passed.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-78581418746990422742009-10-06T08:53:42.974-06:002009-10-06T08:53:42.974-06:00"an administration with a leader like LBJ&quo..."an administration with a leader like LBJ"<br /><br />You mean one where they lie about the true costs of things so the public won't oppose them? That's pretty much what we've got. They're not being quite as successful as LBJ was, but it's not for a lack of trying. There's just too much readily available information nowadays.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-10151553181151573712009-10-05T21:24:55.679-06:002009-10-05T21:24:55.679-06:00The real problem is not about differences of opini...The real problem is not about differences of opinion about the cost of a watered-down health insurance reform. The problem is the high cost of health care in America. If we had an administration with a leader like LBJ to push legislation through, we could get real reform - a single payer system - and reduce costs far more than the public option plan could do.<br /><br />The other salient fact is that we can easily pay for a single-payer system by merely requiring employers and employees to pay 70-80% of what they now pay in premiums in a tax. That would insure everyone, keep costs low, improve outcomes, and save everyone money.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-20985671297081784812009-10-05T08:14:47.050-06:002009-10-05T08:14:47.050-06:00I highlighted a few of the lies in the post. Then...I highlighted a few of the lies in the post. Then I went on and described how the true costs of the health care plans then being discussed were being hidden; in effect, lied about.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-39034642232273229052009-10-04T10:04:48.132-06:002009-10-04T10:04:48.132-06:00I'm not a big fan of the public option since i...I'm not a big fan of the public option since it doesn't go far enough to lower costs or provide universal coverage, but what lies are you referring to?<br /> <br />Regardless of the cost estimates of the CBO, the nation will as a whole spend less on health care with a strong public option than they do now. Of course the bill that is actually coming out of the sausage factory is really designed to take money from lower middle class taxpayers and put it directly into the pockets of the big health insurance companies with no real controls over what they do in return. That's thanks in large part of conservative opposition.<br /><br />A real health insurance reform (single-payer) would probably cost America 25-30% less than we are paying now and provide far better outcomes and universal coverage. The only difference is that you would be paying money in taxes rather than paying money to an insurance company, and that you would be paying less money and getting more for it. But cost-savings are only important if they help big business, not if they help individuals.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-25349374380432306782009-10-03T12:11:08.592-06:002009-10-03T12:11:08.592-06:00Jason,
See the post above this one.
Charles,
&...Jason, <br /><br />See the post above this one.<br /><br />Charles,<br /><br />"a sitting President has a lot of power to jawbone politicians"<br /><br />Johnson and the 60's era Congress lied. That's how they got Medicare passed. Period.<br /><br />Much of what has been said about the "benefits" of a public option is lies as well.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-46131453522229646902009-10-03T11:41:40.729-06:002009-10-03T11:41:40.729-06:00The key lesson Democrats need to learn from the 19...The key lesson Democrats need to learn from the 1960's is that a sitting President has a lot of power to jawbone politicians in his party to support his positions. What they have is a President who mouths vague generalities and then does nothing whatever to achieve his stated agenda.<br /><br />The problem is not the high cost of a public option, the problem is the high cost of health care for this nation and our rather miserable outcome statistics. A real public option would save money because it would force insurance companies to either be competitive on price, performance and customer service or go belly up. A real public option would force drug companies and hospitals to negotiate lower prices. If we had a single-payer plan we would save even more money even quicker. <br /><br />We could cut the average American's expenditure on medical care and insurance by at least 20% with a universal single payer plan. That's another lesson we need to learn from the 1960's. If you set up a compromised program it will cost you more in the long run because incompetent and uncaring right-wing politicians will chip away at it every chance they get.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-28266549376665828432009-10-02T11:25:07.496-06:002009-10-02T11:25:07.496-06:00It used to be fun to come here and argue with you ...It used to be fun to come here and argue with you when you were making salient points.<br /><br />You're not even trying anymore.<br /><br />This is so full of logical absurdities I can't even get mad about it.<br /><br />Very disappointed.Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.com