tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post6203855131974335174..comments2023-09-25T06:48:48.316-06:00Comments on Magic Valley Mormon: Sutherland's Utah Prosperity Forum: Is SB81 Good for Utah Business and Culture?Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-83591049332214550542009-07-08T10:41:00.075-06:002009-07-08T10:41:00.075-06:00I find it interesting that we will be celebrating ...I find it interesting that we will be celebrating the greatest act of illegal immigration in Utah History in a couple of weeks- after all, on July 24, 1847 Utah was still part of Mexico, and Brigham and the Saints didn’t have permission to be here…Taylor.A.Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15544751546655993066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-1213771482268754672009-06-11T14:45:32.878-06:002009-06-11T14:45:32.878-06:00Anon,
A word of advice. You catch more flies wit...Anon,<br /><br />A word of advice. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, particularly when it comes to bringing fence sitters like myself to your cause.<br /><br />Speaking of fence sitting, I'm not sure you read all of the post. I recognize the problems created by illegal immigration, including all you list here. I'm trying to determine if laws like SB 81 are the best way to solve those problems.<br /><br />For instance, opponents of SB81's police provision claim it will create a climate of fear amongst the Latino community. This fear will result in fewer crimes being reported. I think we can all agree that this would be bad.<br /><br />However, if only arrested persons' immigration status is investigated, then the community at large would seem to have no reason to fear.<br /><br />That is the point I had hoped would get clarified at the panel. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if your comment makes it any clearer to me.<br /><br />You do make a good point though. There are very nasty criminal elements that thrive off of illegal immigration. But how does SB81 stop those elements? It may keep illegal immigration at a minimum in Utah, but I don't think it will effect it as a whole. In that regard, Senator Robles is correct in saying that it is a problem that requires a federal solution.<br /><br />Like I said, it is a very complicated issue. And I frankly don't know where I stand at this point.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-79069632681082276382009-06-11T13:20:11.566-06:002009-06-11T13:20:11.566-06:00From Cameron:
"The question I was unable to ...From Cameron:<br /><br />"The question I was unable to ask was, one of the provisions of the bill is that local law enforcement would now be investigating the immigration status of the people they came into contact with."<br /><br />My answer, Cameron, is that the police will NOT be investigating people they come in contact with. Only when a crime is committed will the police become involved. Of course, the real question is: HOW DO THE POLICE KNOW WHO IS ILLEGAL AND COMMITTING IDENTITY THEFT, DOCUMENT FRAUD, JOB THEFT (CERTAINLY A CRIME, BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE), not to mention tax fraud and id theft driven welfare fraud? All these are crimes that the vast majority of illegal aliens commit every day just in order to work. <br /><br />Another part of your post: "What is unclear to me is if they will be investigating everyone, or just people already arrested for other crimes."<br /><br />There is nothing in SB81 which would enable police to do this.<br /><br />More: "This seems important to me because for one thing law enforcement already does that with other crimes, and also because it would seem that law abiding illegal immigrants have nothing to fear."<br /><br />Let me be very clear: THER IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LAW-ABIDING" ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!!!!!!!! In contradiction to what the LA RAZA AND MEXICAN LIVING ABROAD MEMBER Luz Robles said, overstaying a visa and crossing the border illegally ARE CRIMES, JUST NOT FELONIES. <br /><br />SO IN ORDER FOR AN ILLEGAL ALIEN TO BE HERE, TO WORK, OR TO APPLY FOR ANY STATE OR FEDERAL BENEFIT, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COMMIT AT LEAST 3 DIFFERENT CRIMES, ALL INVOLVING ID THEFT OF SOME SORT. So the idea that illegal aliens are in the least "law abiding" is a moronic fiction indulged in and disseminated by the racemongers who aggrandize the Hispanic population at the expense of the rule of law and the rest of us who are not illegal. Get a grip!!!! What part of i.d. theft do you not grasp????<br /><br /><br /><br />Furthermore: "It's not as though police are barging into homes looking to deport people; rather, if a crime is committed by an illegal immigrant, law enforcement should be aware of it. Perhaps I misunderstand the provision, and for this reason I had hoped to ask the question." <br /><br />This is correct, you misunderstand the law. In general SB81 is a shadow of the tougher laws that have been passed in Oklahoma, Arizona, Missourri and other states. Utah's domination by the Mormon Church has assured that their fetish with the Lamanites and so-called prophecy will perpetuate Utah and SLC as a sanctuary state, a magnet for illegal aliens, and an aider and abbetor of the organized crime cartels which are responsible for almost any illegal alien who has been smuggled across the border. <br /><br />Every time a business gives and illegal alien a job, every time the LDS or Catholick Churces provide a rent subsidy, food, medical care, a mission, or a religious assignment, every time the state or federal government gives a benefit to an illegal alien, no matter how small or of what nature, the result is a financial boost to the drug and human trafficking cartels which are wreaking havoc to the tune of thousands a year in Mexico. LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS!!!!<br /><br />So regardless of what good the La Raza/Mexicans Living Abroad member Luz Robles intends, the end result is the reinforcement of the power of organized crime and the advancement of their ability to kill, maim and exploit the illegal aliens. <br /><br />This cannot be denied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com