tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post7718501430399044094..comments2023-09-25T06:48:48.316-06:00Comments on Magic Valley Mormon: The "Loving Choice": My Discussions on AbortionCameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-18907501500987464492007-03-04T17:29:00.000-07:002007-03-04T17:29:00.000-07:00I would just like to question where the idea of ab...I would just like to question where the idea of abortion came from? Who decided one day that they didn't want the baby conceived inside her? I would also like to ask, what is it about this issue that leads us to such heated debates? Part of me believes that we talk to hear our heads rattle. Another part of me thinks that we just have to voice our opinions because we can. There comes a point when the phrase "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" comes into play.<BR/>Both sides of this argument make (arguably) rational points, so why do we continue to harp on this issue?? It seems logical to me that, the Supreme Court decided the issue; a reasonable decision has been made that is split down the middle of both views. Those who believe in abortion get the freedom to make that decision, but those who are against it have the restrictions placed on how far along the mother can be to obtain an abortion. Are there really even people out there, who have had or desire an abortion, that desire a change in the laws? Or are the people that are getting so angry over the issue just those radical crazies who are never satisfied with anything the government does?<BR/>To skip around and make my opinion thoroughly confusing to those reading it, I would like to address the quote that begins the initial blog post. <BR/>We women know when it is or is not the right time to bring a child into the world...We act out of compassion when we wait to have a child until the time when we can give it the kind of life every child deserves. We act out of love when we consider what we would be taking away from the child or children we already have if we brought another child into our family now...We women know the truth: That given certain circumstances, abortion is the most morally responsible and loving choice we can make."<BR/>I believe this is a complete load of crap! I happen to come from the side that is completely against the idea of abortions. While I understand that thought processes that went into this comment, I must say that those same thought processes are wrong. Yes, a woman’s intuition is a marvelous thing. Yes, anyone, not just a mother, can see that there may be inopportune times to give birth. But, why should abortion be the only option to solve that problem. Put the child up for adoption. I know the comment that is to come next by my opponents; orphanages are overcrowded… blah blah blah. But wouldn’t giving the child the chance to have a life at all better than a life that may not be as ideal as could be imagined?? I could continue this rant for hours, but I think you get my point; abortion is wrong, women should not be given the choice to take potential life away from their child.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-38352274968252383432007-03-04T07:14:00.000-07:002007-03-04T07:14:00.000-07:00Cameron,First of all, I am tempted to suggest that...Cameron,<BR/><BR/>First of all, I am tempted to suggest that this post should have been aborted in a fetal stage when it would have been easier to digest, but since you brought it to full term, we can only applaud your thoroughness.<BR/><BR/>The fallacy of most of the arguments here (including some of my earlier ones) is that they are based on the pre-supposition that all human life is worthy of protection and therefore when a woman's egg is fertilized, the resulting cell is human and therefore deserving of protection. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately that position is not defensible even by the actions of most of those holding it. We clearly do not value human life. No nation that sanctions capital punishment, allows its needy to live in misery, rations health care based on ability to pay, or engages in military action for reasons other than clear self-defense can be said to value human life. We then need to shift the conversation to the question "Which human lives do we value, and what is it about them that causes us to value them and not others?"<BR/><BR/>I don't see this question addressed in your long review. It is easy to argue, for example, that murderers have relinquished their right to life based on their actions, but then we have to admit that we do not know whether the fetus will be a murderer or a saint, and that the fetus has not murdered because it does not have the physical capacity to do so nor the mental capacity to conceive of such an act. What are the implications of that?<BR/><BR/>I could go on, but I will abort my comments here in the hope you we can bring these ideas to term over time.Charles Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975241234146573609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-65326988133144511762007-03-03T13:49:00.000-07:002007-03-03T13:49:00.000-07:00I thought the following statement from Jen pretty ...I thought the following statement from Jen pretty much summed up her thought processes regarding abortion:<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not sure why you want to continue this debate -- you are so very sure that life begins at conception; I'm very sure that I won't cede my rights over my body and life to religious/superstitious beliefs that I don't share. Neither of us will convince the other.</I><BR/><BR/>Two things here. She obviously has a disdain for religion; or at least my (and her former) religion. This disdain has made her close minded. But more importantly, her statement illustrates quite well the ideology and motivation behind the two sides of the debate. I pressed her to discuss the humanity of the fetus, but she refused. She is beholden to her ideology of bodily rights, even if that means the death of another human. In fact, she clings so tightly to her beliefs that she won't even discuss fetal humanity beyond her very flawed "fully formed" argument.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-68617630996472256232007-03-02T20:45:00.000-07:002007-03-02T20:45:00.000-07:00Thanks Bob, I did to. Did I change your mind? :-)...Thanks Bob, I did to. Did I change your mind? :-)Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016275707476655364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27549167.post-16782682777112604322007-03-02T12:30:00.000-07:002007-03-02T12:30:00.000-07:00I enjoyed our back-and-fourth on Abortion.-BobI enjoyed our back-and-fourth on Abortion.<BR/><BR/>-BobBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04904969537714974512noreply@blogger.com